Title: Add a another map for variety and alternative to Nif 2
Description: Add a map that is on par with loots from Nif 2 that doesnt require crazy gears like Biosphere B or Mjolnir. Nif gets easily crowded and theres no other option for those who have basic end game gears and it puts off players especially beginners when they find out how much they need to farm in this game to have decent gears and the only option for that is Nif 2 or Intstances like kill easy mode Lasgand or other old MVPs hundreds of times and hope for a card. Whenever Nif 2 is cramped then you better expect your loot for that run to be disappointing. Some people I know are even thinking of quitting because of fatigue from Nif 2(mostly beginners). Some dont even want to even touch Nif 2. And if you’re not ranged then its even worse. You get outplayed by ranged players who can clear a spot before you even get there. I get the appeal of Bio B or Mjolnir. You need better gears and buffs there because the loot is better so thats why I’m suggesting the new map to be only as good as Nif 2. Not better. Just like theres Rudus 4, Nif 1, Abyss 4 or Magma 3 for mid gear players there should be an alternative to Nif 2 that doesnt require the best enchants, refine etc like Bio, Mjo or Depth.
Why is this a good idea? This is good as this will encourage both long time and especially new players to farm and move to other area when nif 2 is full. Also for variety and to spread farmers even more. As I see even those who have the best gears still farm in Nif 2 those who have basic end game gears gets easily outclassed. I suggest potentially adding 2 maps or just tweaking already existing maps to match their loot with Nif.
What risks or downsides does it have? Maybe it will take a couple of tweaks to make sure this map is fair to everyone.
My question towards your suggestion is why would you think adding another map that is just like Niff 2 reduce player fatigue? If people are getting burned out of farming the same map over and over then they’ll get burned out of farming the same 2 maps over and over.
And that’s assuming we manage to get perfect balance between the 2 maps, which is close to impossible unless you copy niff 2 with same map, mobs and drops. Otherwise one will be better than the other and all players will flock to the one map that’s slightly better. That’s why everyone goes to niff2 in the first place so you aren’t fixing any problem.
No, the main problem is that Niff 2 is the most optimal farming spot : you get raw zeny from item boxes and player zeny from BB. And since BB is one of the most important late game resource if you’re full stuff you go there too.
So the solution isn’t to make more places like Niff 2, but to make Niff 2 less strong and dissociate zeny farming from BB farming, just like in mjolnir.
Fatigue is just one problem. If you are killing the same mobs in the same map for weeks even months with the same route that you already know that it gets too tiringly familiar even with your eyes closed you’ll tend to get tired of it even quicker. Not saying having another map or tweaking exsiting map wont eliminate that but I think somehow the fatigue could maybe kick in longer. Say you’ve been farming in Nif 2 for 4 straight hours. Then you move there and the route is different. The mobs are different. The little techniques you developed during months of farming in nif 2 doesnt work there. You need to develop new ones. Or maybe you just want to rest due to familiarity fatigue. So you go and farm there just 1 hour because the loot there is a litte bit less and then you go back to nif 2 again. Stuff like that. Those kinds of little variation can help imo. Though I understand you will get worn out no matter what. But as I posted thats not the only reason. The other reason is whenever too much people decide to farm at the same time they can be spread out if there are other option. 3 people in nif 2 is still manageable. 5 you start to have harder time. 7 or more then it can become a bad run.|
And you are thinking too much about having perfect balance. Having another map thats a little better or worse than nif 2 is ok I think. For example Nif gets too crowded. But the new map is a little less better than Nif 2. Then I think as a player the better logical option would be to move there for a little less loot than having even way less loot because 20 people are currently farming in Nif 2. And your idea of making nif 2 a little less strong will also have the same outcome you are predicting with mine. People will flock to the best new one and make it crowded.
Another problem is weather you have the basic end game gear, you farm in nif 2. You have the best end game gear with full enchants, you still farm in nif 2. That is despite Bio B and Mjolnir having better loot generating potential. And it can be a variety reasons for those who already have best end game gears. Like me i can now move to Bio but still lazy to tweak my gears and still stay in Nif 2. Maybe some just get tired of farming in Bio or Mjo so they move to Nif again. But for those who have basic end game gears its mostly only due to lack of choice. And they all cramped and mixed together in there. And the weaker ones have it worse because they cannot go anywhere better. Or even a little less better. Would be nice though.
And Im aware of the box suggestion in Mjo. But that I disagree.
Honestly, I think just adding channels to Nif 1 and 2 would fix the crowding issue way easier than making a whole new map. Keep the MVP only on channel 1, and the rest are just for farming. Less work for the GMs and we get the same result – more space for everyone.
Also there’s a big big detail you forgot to take into account : nobody is forcing players to spend their whole life in niff2. Sure it’s the best place to farm zeny but you can actually farm your own gear yourself at every step of the game (the only exception being nebula gear). So in short the variations exist, but because people are convinced that niff2 is the end all be all solution they’re unable to even consider going elsewhere and prefer to burn themselves out rather than go to another map because “it isn’t optimal”.
The solution you seek already exists, it’s just a change in perspective. The door of the Niff2 prison was open the whole time…
Just delete bb or nerf bb drop in niff2, this map isnt suppose to be end game farm map, this map objective is to be a stepping up for begginers (for me).
niff2 isnt suppose to be end game farm or give the most out of all farming maps in my oppinion they should fix that but yea u can just leave and farm another map
it doesnt give the most out of all farming maps. mjolnir or bio b has better yield than nif 2. its the best low investment farming spot though. if you nerf it then you remove recent player’s only access to best low investment farming spot. you make the climb even harder for them and you put off new players and you potentially hurt the server
Regarding mjo i have no proposal its just my opinion that yield there is good enough. Yes no one is forcing you its your choice to stay in nif 2 even though you have better gears. But not for recent players though who have basic end game who are just a few days/weeks into the game. Nif 2 is the optimal spot for them. But some players who just spent a few days/weeks in there tell me how tiring it is. And even in that short periods varations would help imo.
And say you remove bb in nif 2. So you make it no different from nif 1 or rudus 4? Then you remove recent player’s only access to the best low investment farming spot. You put off new players. You potentially hurt the server.
also for me if u remove bb there they can buff some drops or add something of value to help new players, can also nerf the bb drop there and will be a very good map. i just think it shouldnt be close to bio b
What do you mean? Good famers can get around 800 zelus + shadow in bio b more or less with drop gears. 1x can get you around 1500 zelus and 1900 shadows more or less but with crazy gear and good ping. that way more than double you can make in Nif 2
That’s not true. New players have lots of choice, they can farm istana with even lower gear requirement, farm grey wolf>glacier>varmundt gear to get stronger, farm clock tower, etc… Again it just takes 2 things : 1 that the new player be more curious about the game and 2 that the people giving advice to new players go beyond “just farm niff2”.
“thats just 1 bio b run btw”
it’s the best farming class in the game with optimal gear, build and played by a very good player. It’s like showing a video of Usain Bolt and saying “look how fast everyone can run” lol.
it’s the best farming class in the game with optimal gear, build and played by a very good player. It’s like showing a video of Usain Bolt and saying “look how fast everyone can run” lol.
yeah thats why i said good farmers with crazy gear didnt you read what I said?
That’s not true. New players have lots of choice, they can farm istana with even lower gear requirement, farm grey wolf>glacier>varmundt gear to get stronger, farm clock tower, etc… Again it just takes 2 things : 1 that the new player be more curious about the game and 2 that the people giving advice to new players go beyond “just farm niff2”.
Are you serious? You compare Istana with nif 2? LOL xD Thats like for those who have level 1 armor. If you a few level 2 armors with ample enchants of course you will aim for nif 2. but moving from nif 2 to say bio b thats a huge gap requirement.