Suggested Paramk price Update

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Title: Paramarket Price Update

Description:

I’ll make some preliminary remarks before suggesting about Paramk.

  • I assume Muhro isn’t a “super high-rate” server and that farming is the primary way to obtain items.
  • I assume the market is a relevant aspect of the game and is more important than short-term convenience.

What I personally think Paramk is:

  • Paramarket is a reliable system for ensuring the availability of items even when the normal market doesn’t offer them.Example: some rune materials are really difficult to farm.
  • Paramk is a quick, but obviously expensive, way to obtain items. Example: quick access to converters or MVP items for crafting Shadow Gears.
  • Paramk is a price control system (very important). Example: Blacksmith’s Blessings.

That said, Paramk, in my opinion, shouldn’t be the primary source of items. Precisely because we’re not playing a super high-rate server…at least I think so, hahahaha xd.

So after Muh’s latest update, I think several interesting opportunities could open up in our server’s market, with the following advantages:

  • Adding new fields worth farming
  • Adding new farmable items that give new players zeny even if they don’t have equipment
  • Drain zeny from endgame players to reduce inflation.

So, with all of this said, I would propose the following changes only:

  • Elemental Converters from 80.000z to 120.000z
  • Poison Bottle from 75.000z to 300.000z
  • Blood of Wolf from 60.000z to 80.000z (all food are double price from the old price before update)
  • Cold Ice from 12.000z to 16.000z
  • Beef Head from 45.000z to 60.000z
  • Ice Piece from 22.500z to 30.000z
  • Ice Crystal from 22.500z to 30.000z
  • Drosera Tentacle from 22.500z to 30.000z
  • Savage Meat from 180.000z to 240.000z

Now a little math for the worried players:

  • Poison Bottles: Bottles at 75.000z is a “joke”. It doesn’t help inflation and it doesn’t make it worth to farm and sell this item. At the 300.000z price point you will spend the incredible and crazy amount of 3,600,000z per hour (sarcasm intended).
    3.000.000z per hour for a buff that is not dispelled upon death in a server where even the most noob can generate at least 30 million in an hour. Let alone ppl like me that go over 200 million per hour. So…nothing to add.
    Having Poison Bottles at 300.000z allow players to farm sell at a lower price in the market, adding a new way to make zeny.
    Also helps to fight the inflation.
  • Food: They are a mid-game and end-game item. Having unlimited at Paramk offers the security of their availability if the real market is empty, thus ensuring consistency in builds that use them. Increasing the price incentivizes farming and the creation of a market. Furthermore, having them available in Paramk creates a habit in players of using them, further improving sales and character builds.
  • Converters: They’re incredibly easy to generate. If you want them fast in Paramk, it’s only fair that they pay more.

I honestly think these changes help fight inflation in the game and give the possibility to expand the farming areas.

Muh had a great idea when he initially raised prices unexpectedly, I think it should be reinstated and improved.

Last thing I add as a joke…If you want endgame items at “red potions” prices I think you’re looking for a super high rate server lol.

Sorry if i messed up the usual suggestions format but i wrote elsewhere and pasted here.

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Much too low

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Shinkiro: If you are using autocast Infiltrate, you spend a maximum of 10x Earth Amulets every 5 minutes, which averages at 2k zeny per 30min.
If you are using Kunais normally, which are about 5k~ per 30min of farm, averages at 160k zeny per 30min.
SA: 3k~ Soul Talismans every 30min, which would average at 90k zeny per 30min.
Night Watch and Wind Hawk: About the same as Shinkiro with ammo.
Meister: If using ABR Capsule + Machine Capsule every 5 minutes, which are an average of 5k zeny each, that’s 30k zeny per 30min. If using Magic Gear Fuel, that’s about 100 per 30min, so about 70k zeny total per 30min.
Repair C are also 1k each, if you want to use them.
Biolo: 1 Seed of Life + Blood Sucker every 5min, so about 80k zeny per 30min.
DK: If buying everything from Eden Market, 2x Lux Anima (610k) + 2x Turisus (220k) + 2x Asir (160k), but you craft at an average 4 of runes per craft, so about 250k zeny per 30min.

OK, I am not going to post about every single class, but now…

SX, The Original Sin, The One Who Shall Pay For Inflation:
Current EDP prices, that’s 6x 75k, so about 450k per 30min.
EDP + Pyrexia (6x 15k~), that’s about 540k per 30min.

Suggested Price by OP: 1.9m per 30min.

EDIT: This post is just showing how troll you have to be to ask for an increase in EDP price.

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Just some thoughts on the proposed price adjustment:

Elemental Converters: Already priced at 120k in Para npc, which doesn’t make much sense given how easy they are to craft — production costs only around 14k and the materials are easy to acquire. Players selling them at 30k is a little high, but not unreasonable.

Poison Bottle: Essentially a GX tax. While 300k is nothing for mid/endgame players farming 50m+ per BBG, it’s a different story for someone new to the server or class. I’m not certain about GX specifically, but I’ve seen new gene players complain more than once about paying 50k for Seed of Life just to maintain their Homu. 300k feels a bit steep considering GX isn’t known for being an efficient farmer early on, and it may discourage new players from enjoying the class.

+20 Foods: Below is a cost breakdown for crafting the big version (30 min) of +20 foods.

Current Proposed
STR+20 1,089,000 1,449,000
INT+20 1,228,500 1,636,500
VIT+20 548,250 728,250
DEX+20 685,500 910,500
AGI+20 497,850 632,850
LUK+20 191,250 191,250
Combined 4,240,350 5,548,350
25% Markup 5,300,438 6,935,438

So roughly 7m if sold on market for a 30min +20 all-stats buff. That’s high enough to not pop them when farming in Niff2 but not low enough to for me to rush to switch builds (e.g., stat-based VCT reduction) and invest in new gear. Personally, I don’t see much value in +20 foods since current available gears and consumables already let us tackle most of the game content with ease. That said, whether they’re under or overpriced, I’ll leave that judgment to more knowledgeable players to determine.

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All I can say, items that were rarely bought (out) before the change wouldn’t make much sense in increasing prices even more. That said I will take a second look at the frequently sold out items.

Even if it might be unfair because lots were bought already.

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To my point from my post, this isn’t really about “fairness”. It’s about not spending every waking moment farming zeny and only zeny. It’s about diversifying maps and farm mats instead of zeny. Yes, zeny is an OPTION still, but it should be high enough that it would be beneficial to save zeny by hunting instead.

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Honestly, I just don’t think we have enough server population for that point to really matter (diversifying farming) as most materials aren’t farmed anyway and you have to farm your own.

There is no market for them, independent of price. I have came across that several times on muhRO, and I am not even talking about the +20 foods.

Also, according to Muh’s logic, which I think is the only fair one (only increase price if it was running out of stock constantly before), only the DEX and VIT food mats were an issue. I would constantly see the other mats there untouched, because they were either really easy to farm, unwanted, or overpriced on the NPC already.

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I stand with this point, as a former midgamer who benefits a lot from solely farming Nif2 but Nif2 only Nif2 really Nif2 again ?

Idk how much data we have on hand, but market trend with it’s transparency shows that food isn’t as commonly bought because using food consumables isn’t a trend in endgame field maps.

Now that we have unlimited food supply, food farmers should benefit more from this because if people want food buff, they need to pay premium to para_mk.

If i may also add-on, slowly instilling food buff culture in PvE also allow Muh to balance future custom instance/endgame field maps to promote this consumables.

A good example is imagine a magic dps on Lasgand not using 20 VIT food buff with party HP% buff to survive the one shots ?

eg. 120k hp before beef brisket, 140k hp after beef brisket, maybe that 20k could be a life changer in these scenario.

eg. Luk Food comes into play for that extra 5 CRIT to hit 250 - 264 Crit requirements.

eg. Dex Food comes into play just to get 20 HIT for reaching Geffenia 1 hit requirements

eg. Int and Dex food combined to introduce stat instant cast build which isn’t commonly used before because not many players prefer to “meal prep” before an actual fight starts but instead go for the VCT route.

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I think is also about how you see your server. Not only pure data. And this is more about how you would like ppl to play and interact i think.

Ofc there is not “right” or “wrong”

Like having Paramk prices of those items a bit higher promotes the farm more and promote more active market.

The increased costs players have to sustain is negligeble, given the amount of zeny/h we make. But a new offer may come to market opening new possibilities.

As Aprinde said i would personally really like if you balance endgame around food for example. Because i think is really fun to min max and get prepared to challenge new content. Also will burn zeny to npc (for basic food mats or advanced food mats maybe tedious to farm), but also creating a new farming possibility for both new and old players.

I think the DK mats price increase did a perfect job on this topic, now im only waiting the finished runes to be tradable ahahahah.

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Hands off from EDP, pls. 75k is a good price for beginners, and for the whales it won’t change anything anyway. It’s a legacy consumable, that requires to farm outdated mobs that are 1shotted in eden gear. That makes no sense to grind it. It would work just like a tax and nothing more. Tax for being a sinx. Are they so popular/OP to do so? You’d better tax a soullinker then. Every 2nd guy plays SA. And every1 boasting that they are incredible SA farmers. Would make more sense to tax a top farm machine. (It’s a joke. I’m not being serious about adding tax for any job. As I already told - it won’t change anything for a whales with billions of zeny in the bank. IMHO - i’d add all the legacy consumables to the shop, to make ppl feel free to play anything without adding to them more boring routine outdated farm.)

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Don’t compare classes, makes no sense to me. If you really wanna compare two classes that have a “comsumable buff” do it vs DK. Thay actually pay way more than SX, especially in endgame. But after the Paramk price increase they were perfectly fine.

Also stop using beginners as excuse for lazyness.

Having EDP go from 900k/h to even 3,6m/h is not taxing beginners at all.
It’s an undispellable buff(not even by death), that officially takes a little bit effort to farm. Here you even have Karvo for free.

Paramk is not your NPC to buy every item in the game, or the game will just be like any super high rate server.
Paramk is just a control system to have a price ceiling to look at, and the 75k EDP as price ceiling have no sense.
I think that a healty server use the real marekt first, and only as a very costly alternative should use Paramk.
At some point, following your theory, i could just say: “hey i wanna be free to play my “””“legacy”“” MVP cards, lets put the very old GTB for 50k in Paramk Shop".

If everything is free in the NPC shop, every map is noob friendly and just destroy every content with no effort then what we gonna do after? just hit the dummy at main office basement? Just flood Niff2 and gamble BBs?.

Tbh not that i care much about EDP price, but is funny how seems that you guys wanna just everything free. I wonder why you even play the game lol.

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@muh

sorry for the tag Muh, but we think the forum have some kind of bug or some sort of permission abuse.

Today i saw my 2 latest post “Flagged” and “Hidden” and we could not see why.
Then we did some tests using Sakura post and my original topic post to check how the process works.

We seems to have discovered that posts can be “flagged” and “hidden” by normal players.
Maybe by mistake or maybe to hide other ppl opinions.
Ofc im talking about posts that i think do not justify a “hidden” status.

As far as i remember a real offensive post usually gets deleted directly by mods and the offender gets warned in this scenario.

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auto-hide disabled, thanks for noticing.

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I’m not saying anything about MVP’s. And compared to the DK - yep, EDP in paramarket makes difference. Thats why I play SX and don’t play DK (leveled it up, reminded how much things I need to farm to use runes and never logged in again). Yes, I want less senseless legacy farm, because there are lots of things to farm on high levels. LOF back needs lots of elementals farm (and thats ok - thats new content), and I’m happy that right now I don’t need to revisit old glast heim. Crowns needs lots of runes from depth 2 that are expensive and hard to farm - and with that I’m also fine (farming reputation to get there, and farming gear to be able to farm there). Also need lots of mats for frontier boots, need lots of special instance coins for MVP cards. Also need things for frontier enchancements. I already have lots of things to farm. And thats nice - new content, I’m happy with it. I want to farm this new stuff - not to farm bees. I can - but thats boring and time consuming. So as eden coins farm. If the game requires me to farm bees on 265 for edp, and to farm with 12 windows for eden coins - thats boring, I’d better go play smth else/smth fun in my 2 hours of time in the evening. I play games coz thats interesting and fun, and if it’s not fun/intertaining and requires me to invest lots of time to been able to play - sry, I already have work to be done.

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Thay actually pay way more than SX, especially in endgame. But after the Paramk price increase they were perfectly fine.

What? This is a straght up lie.

Look at my first post in this thread:
DK: If buying everything from Eden Market, 2x Lux Anima (610k) + 2x Turisus (220k) + 2x Asir (160k), but you craft at an average 4 of runes per craft, so about 250k zeny per 30min.

Each time you craft runes, you craft between 2~6…

SX is the most expensive class to play already.

Here you even have Karvo for free.

Yes, because Gravity intentionally removed the skill to farm them, Cultivate Plant.
But you wouldn’t know, because you have no idea what you are talking about or how classes actually work.

Paramk is not your NPC to buy every item in the game, or the game will just be like any super high rate server.
Paramk is just a control system to have a price ceiling to look at, and the 75k EDP as price ceiling have no sense.

Those Eden Market prices were determined by Gravity, in kRO. I trust kRO balance way more than a random egotist player on the forum who wants to grief new players.

Here is the simplest and strongest argument against you advocating for the EDP price increase:

EDP stock was 2K every few hours.
Demand was way lower than supply, you would never run out of stock, when it was stock-limited.

At some point, following your theory, i could just say: “hey i wanna be free to play my “””“legacy”“” MVP cards, lets put the very old GTB for 50k in Paramk Shop".

You make use of bad faith arguments and wonder why people were reporting your posts.

If everything is free in the NPC shop, every map is noob friendly and just destroy every content with no effort then what we gonna do after? just hit the dummy at main office basement? Just flood Niff2 and gamble BBs?.

Yes, can’t let new players get a good place to farm and get remotely good gear.
Can’t let newer players reach full +15 gear like you, right?

Tbh not that i care much about EDP price, but is funny how seems that you guys wanna just everything free. I wonder why you even play the game lol.

Obviously you don’t care, you are an old player who have no idea how early progress work anymore.
You don’t care because you are not being impacted directly and would actually benefit by scamming new players.
You don’t understand that EDP is a legacy consumable and just a class “tax”, which doesn’t impact you when you are sitting in billions of zeny and even more in gear already.

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Well, calm down lol ahahah.

You have nothing to teach here, trust.

You gave your ideas and thank you for that. Everyone is entitled to their own perspective and opinions ofc.

My wild guess is that you are probably just a troll or a guy that wanna flame, but whatever again.

Everyone wrote their ideas, then is up to the GMs to evaluate what to do or not to do.
Maybe with a discord poll too, idk.

Trust me that i know how this game works very well, no need to explain things to me or try personal attacks about my suggestion.

This my last message anyway.
I wrote my suggestion, tbh the other posts of mine weren’t even needed because all i needed to say was in the first post.

Have fun with this topic if you like to keep adding stuffs.
Hope other players wanna share their opinion too ofc.

Nothing to add from me.

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Okay, I need to give my take on this too.

It’s weird to see people that have billions, played for years, have a lot of time, talk about a change in items that are required from the get go.

I’m relatively new to the server so I remember the struggle on the 1st and 2nd month, I could farm 30~40m per hour at that time, the jump from grace set to grey wolf set was quite grindy, no one was selling and it was recommended on a guide that i was following.

Every single zeny was being used on a upgrade, just to have enough damage for the next map. Sure i was playing class that doesn’t use consumables, but if i was, 2~2,5m less money per hour would impact my ability to get new gear. On the other hand, now that i have a few months on the server, this change will not affect me as much, I can just adjust the prices of things i sell to keep the same amount of zeny flow.

Yes a new market could open for farmers, but is it better than any of the options we have now? if it’s not, ppl will not farm the items required to craft and the paramarket will be the only option. Also, the server population is low, so let’s say 50 SX exists on the server, if they play 8h a day that’s 400h of SX gameplay, 4800 Poison Bottles total, if you make 1000 Poison Bottles per hour, in 5 hours you have enough to feed the whole server for a day.

But let’s be real for a moment, how many SX do we have on the server? Poison bottle always was available when it was limited on paramarket, sure, you might get some sales, but not that many, the server is just not big enough, all that will happen is a reduction on the amount of zeny available to ppl that started as SX… as soon as you can farm BBs, that doesnt matter anymore.

The other changes are inconsequential as well. Every single time i bought converter so i could do my Eden Chore, the paramarket had 9998 left after i’m done for the day.

There are plenty of markets unexplored already, we don’t need basic consumables at a premium to be creative and find farming spots

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