Revert the "infinite" change for Para Foods or increase the price of them

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+20 stat foods are incredibly good. Having them available is great an all, but this latest change to para foods.. why? It was fine. What ever happened to farming for things? Now all we do is farm Zeny and buy the things. Farming zeny is basically turning in to a RO job here. Want something? Go to “work” at nif and farm the Zeny you need so you can buy it.

Bring back the limits so we’re forced to actually farm the mats and not just buy stuff.
Or increase the prices to the point where it might actually be more worthwhile to farm them instead of just buying them from the NPC.

Why is this a good idea?

Decrease monotony of farming Zeny…

What risks or downsides does it have?

People get SUPER pissed at Pickles :smiley:.

Before people tell me to “just farm it if I don’t like the change”. That’s not the point people. That’s not. the. point. I WILL continue to farm it. I just don’t think this change was entirely a good idea when it comes to para food.

Suggested Paramk price Update
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+1 to increasing the price. Keeping them unlimited is fine, but the pricing should encourage a more active gameplay (actually farming the mat). It’s the same with EDP pricing, but that ship has sailed. Could have had people actually farming the mats and selling EDP on the market instead of relying solely on paramarket. Sad it’s a missed opportunity.

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-1 for me

Not a fan of camping for mats or straining my eyes farming icicles, but you do you.

In terms of pricing, I FOMO’d and just spent ~500m brewing 100-150 big version of each of the +20 food. While affortable, they aren’t exactly cheap.

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-1 about revert to limited amount

+100 for a price increase a bit more like 20-30% of foods

Farming yourself or buy from players at lower price than paramk should be the main way to get foods.

Also EDP should have stayed 125-150k too Btw. Edp is the perfect example or paramk totally unbalance because 75k is dirty cheap and unlimited.

Food atm have a good price, but yes coold go a 20-30% higher and be even better.

Wanna add also this

Having unlimited amount helps players to get used to it and dont fear if no real market offer at a given time.

The more ppl gets used to food, the more the real farmers wanna farm more more food. Because there actually is a merket then, that is also supported by Paramk for emergency purchase at high price (or just fast purchase if the market is empty).

Now i say more about edp too:

Lets say edp go back to 125k ea, lets say even 150k ea.

15m = 100 edp

100 edp = 500 minutes of continuos play (edp dont even dispel upon death)

Time to farm 15m? = a noob can farm 15m in 15minutes in old geffenia. So you invest 15-20min to play 8h.

But at 150k players can actually farm and sell edp in the market at 120k because there is margin there. But at 75k…is just an npc item.

Food should not follow the edp route. The price now is fine, if go up 20% probably is perfect.

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I have the same opinion as some of the people above. Its fine to make it infinite but with a higher cost, so players who are farming can make zeny by selling at a lower price or others who farm for their own use feel their effort and time are worth it.

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Are you guys serious about EDP?
On the old 2k “limited” supply, it would never run out. You could always buy EDP at the 75k price. You are just arguing for a price increase for something that been priced like that for a long time, which directly affects new players, not veterans.

For the +20 food materials, sure, but I also kinda think that ship has sailed.
People must have crafted millions of foods already by this point, which means you will just affect newer players.

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This argument feels a bit short-sighted because it only looks at the immediate cost increase without considering the long-term effect on the game economy.

The whole point of increasing the price is to encourage players to craft their own consumables instead of relying on the stock readily available in para. Don’t wanna farm your own? You gotta pay a premium (which, honestly, the actual gameplay impact is minimal as they’re still relatively cheap even if they were to increase the price, especially when new players can easily farm millions within minutes).

Increasing the price creates another viable farming and crafting avenue for new players to make zeny instead of the usual rot in nif2, mjol until you get enough zeny to buy stuff. If millions of foods already exist, that’s exactly why changes must be made now rather than later. It’'s like saying the economy should never be adjusted once players stockpile enough resources, which locks the game into this weird balance, also effectively removing more stuff from the market because why? Everyone already has it, so why bother.

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You have in this thread people who literally admitted to have already crafted millions in foods. You can be SURE that a billion more were crafted with the current prices/stocks.

Which again, with my argument, by increasing the price now, only benefits veterans.

I was never in favor of removing the limited stocks of +20 stat foods or Instance Materials, but like I said, I think that ship has already sailed.

https://dis.muhro.eu/t/about-the-50-increase-in-eden-market-stock-limited-items

You can see on that thread that I literally pointed at those 2 problematic NPCs when the change was made.

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Im “extremely” (hahahah dont take it too serious xd) serious about edp

Muh did one of the best of the best update ever

If you have time i will explain why, and why on edp

I give you this scenario:

If edp costs 200k at paramk and have infinite supply, if you spend 20m you buy 100ea.

With 100ea you can play for 8h STRAIGHT. means that for 20m and if you play 2h a day you can play 4 days.

A noob can make 20m at the worst possible rate in…30 minutes. So you invest 30min to play 8h.

I think this is TOTALLY FAIR.

But wait, there is more

You will never pay 200k for edp.

Because at that price ppl that actually wanna farm and sell for 125-150k can actually profit for the time they spend.

So in the end we open a new market and you will pay maybe 125-150k per edp. Making your 15m lasts for 8h.

For a comparison:

As doping Biolo i spend 9-12m per hour and i kill trash mobs for cheap loots that i need.

SX have access to a crazy buff by spending only 900k (75k x 12).

So to sum up:

Muh opened a new market and new possibilities even for new ppl to farm edp and sell. Easy items a novice can farm and sell to buy eq.

“You” (Im saying “you” as generic you) complained because spending 12,5m to play 8h was too much.

Imho Muh “rushed” to revert back to 75k

My intent is not being rude, i just explain the reason why that price update imho was a bless

Then ofc im no one to decide if a price is right or not…but i know that new markets open new possibility to farm in different maps, if the time is worth the money you make. And at paramk edp 200k is worth, at 75k not at all.

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Eden Market is not a new content. It’s been there for 1year+
The change was to make limited stock into unlimited, like other normal NPCs.

EDP stock was 2K every few hours.
Demand was way lower than supply, you would never run out of stock.

This is not pre-renewal anymore. SX is balanced nowadays around having EDP “crazy buff”.

SX is THE MOST EXPENSIVE class to play already, possibly being beat only by DK if using Lux+multiple other runes, while being an unpopular class that only really works in instanced content.

I don’t even play SX, just want to keep things fair between classes.
Most classes have to spend almost nothing in zeny to function and are way more effective is almost all aspects of the game.

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Para market isn’t new, yes but it’s customization should reflect the server’s situation. We get zeny for every field mob killed. As someone who actually plays SX (I know I don’t count as one of the newbies you are allegedly advocating for but still), even at 150-200k zeny per EDP its barely noticeable. Titan already did the math and it’s basically pennies. You can get over 10m pure zeny alone per hour farming in level 200 map and that will last you hours for EDP.

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I also wanted to chime in on this one. I dont have anything against what pickles wanted to advocate here but at the same time implementing the change in paramarket is impactful in a good way because lets face it, majority of the people here doesnt have time to farm majority of us relies on what we can buy/craft on our own depending on the mats that are available and lets face it, with the population that we have, materials that can be farmed are almost not available in the market. I would agree to revert the changes IF we have the right supply available in the market and not in paramarket but as it is, the changes is good especially for those who doesnt have the time to farm and can only buy/craft the consums we need.

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